In a message Paul Washer preached several years ago, he told of preaching in a church where an elder approached him afterward, saying something like this: “Brother Paul, you preached the truth tonight…. But you did it in the flesh and you need to get down on your knees and repent.” Sobering words indeed.
Though I haven’t researched exactly what sermon I heard Brother Washer say that, the story stands very clear in my mind because when he related it, I could, also, relate. No, I was not rebuked by an elder in the church in that same way; however, there were a few times several years ago, that I have come away from the sermon, convicted even to tears at times, falling on my face before God in repentance. I continually pray that I might be alert, not slumbering to the truth, that I may be ever submissive to Him and constantly communing with Him, so as not to fall again: “Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall” (1 Corinthians 10:12).
It is a reminder that we are flesh and blood men. We have not yet been glorified, immortalized, nor yet made incorruptible. That is the awesome glory of God’s grace; that though we are yet sinners, we have been granted the grace and privilege of proclaiming gospel truth; God’s Word! Yes, if we are redeemed by the blood, we are growing in grace, maturing from faith to faith, and increasing from glory to glory as the Spirit of God conforms us to the image of Christ by God’s providence working all things together for good, yet, we are still merely fallen men. Remember, the best of men are merely men, at best. So we are prone to preach in the flesh and that’s why it is so very important that we, as preachers, pastors, ministers, stay in the Word of God by the Spirit’s power through prayer.
Now, before I ask you to CLICK ON the arrow in the center of this 5 minute and 51 second video segment of Mark Driscoll, let me just say that I’m not against Mark Driscoll as a person, nor do I suggest that he is unsaved. In fact, from what I’ve read from him and about him, I would say that, largely, we probably agree theologically concerning Biblical truth. Nevertheless, in this segment he very passionately rebukes sinners using terms from the vernacular (BE WARNED: use discretion when playing this segment with little children around).
The word “hell” is in the English Bible so, in and of itself, it is not a vulgar term. The phrase Brother Driscoll used, however, is of the world and easily recognized as how the unsaved unbelieving world speaks. One doesn’t have to spend a decade and a half in the U.S. Navy as a deep sea diver to detect that. Come on, you know that’s true. I’ve been around unbelievers who have let that very same expression slip out when I was around and when they saw me, they blushed and apologized.
Although Mark spoke the truth, he sunk to the level of depravity of those very same people he was rebuking. In that, was not his use of language as pragmatic as, say, some pastor using worldly marketing techniques to persuade people of spiritual truth? His passionately loud voice is not the issue. Paul Washer has inflected his voice in preaching; Rolfe Barnard did in nearly every sermon he preached; and I even heard J. Vernon McGee shout his words in a Sunday morning message once. Yet, Brother Driscoll’s use of the vernacular seemed to suggest that it was raging anger and not God’s holy wrath: “For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God” (James 1:20).
For those who would suggest that I’m going a little overboard here, let’s put a little perspective on this. Are the men who have not honored their wives with dignity, even in the slightest way (1 Peter 3:7), who are not ravished in their hearts for their wives (Song of Solomon 4:9), or who are not smitten to the point of love that silly metaphors are used to describe her (Song of Solomon 7:4), are they not also guilty of sin? Are they not also guilty of withholding all that is holy from a true, right, and good relationship between man and wife? We must say, yes, because sin is any lack of conformity to, or transgression against God’s revealed will found in Holy Scripture (1 John 3:4). Granted, Mark may have said those very things I mentioned concerning holy and wholesome relationships between a man and his wife in the majority of the message that was not included on this segment, but how powerful could it have possibly been when he employed the arm of the flesh in his speech. Think about this:
Could it be that the sin that needs to be rebuked in many local congregations today is there because the preaching of the gospel from the pulpit is not given the holiness and reverence God’s Word is due? To somewhat take Brother Driscoll’s own words, let me ask this: who in heaven and earth do we think that we are that we can take the grace and privilege of the precious Word of God given to redeemed men, and soil that Word with the filth of the world? Look, I’m not saying anything to you, or Brother Driscoll, that I don’t face myself daily. This is God’s precious Word we have been blessed to proclaim. When we soil it with expressions that are flesh, however slight it may be, then it has no foundation in truth, no direction in Scripture, and no place in the presence of a holy God (1 Corinthians 1:29; Romans 14:23; Hebrews 11:6).
When in the presence of the Holy, I repent just because I exist as sinful flesh. It’s no shame for the minister to fall on his face daily. I believe that we must; but deeper still, it is a grace also granted to us, to know the grace, glory, and goodness of repentance because of the hope of the glory of Christ Jesus; and we are so unworthy.
If the grace of God through Jesus Christ does not move me to desire holiness that I may please a holy God, then I cannot expect His people to be holy from my preaching, no matter how true the words that come from my mouth may be.
It’s not about us siding with John MacArthur or John Piper on the Mark Driscoll issue; it’s about the holiness of God and the glory of God. Yet, even as I type this, I realize this: who am I to even say such things? Yet, the Lord seems to remind me that I am a dying man preaching to dying men. It is my sincerest desire that Mark Driscoll know the joy of repentance before a holy God because, it seems to me, that the Lord may desire to do much, so very much more, through him if he would go before his Redeemer in brokenness. My heart pours out for him because it is a serious and sober responsibility to minister among the Lord’s flock, whether that under-charge is a small gathering like mine, or a much larger one like Mark’s; it is a responsibility that requires supernatural strength beyond the means of any mere man.
I understand the elder's intent, but if Paul Washer is saved, according to Scripture, he is not IN the flesh. He can't be. A review of the book of Romans would have made that clear to him.
ReplyDeleteHi Amy.
ReplyDeleteI'd have to tell you that not only do I disagree with you, but every person that I mentioned in my blog article would disagree with you, as well as the apostle Paul.
Although we are saved, regenerated as new creatures in Christ, especially according to the book you cited, our righteousness is imputed, that is, "counted" for righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ. The saved soul does grow in faith and righteousness, however, it is through the victories over the flesh when we are in the Spirit that we grow in faith and maturity. Romans 7 & Galatians 5 speak particularly of this struggle.
Even the apostle Paul, writing to Corinthian Christians who were struggling with immaturity as believers, chastised them: "For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?" (1 Cor 3:3). In other words, he says, 'For you are still flesh; and since there is envying, strife, and divisions, aren't you walking as being in the flesh?"
In fact, the apostle Paul rebuked Peter face to face for ministering in the flesh (Gal 2:11), and we can be certain that Simon Peter was saved according to Scripture.
I'm sorry, Amy; but I meant to add, thank you for your comment.
ReplyDeleteThe rubber meets the road when you decide if you are going to follow theology, or Scripture, but Romans says, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
ReplyDeleteThe Christian life can be a struggle sometimes, and it takes faith to believe this verse, but we are crucified with Christ and no longer in the flesh.
Colossians 3:3 says, "For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God". It's our will we struggle with, while we carry around this sinful (crucified) flesh. "For when we WERE in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death."
You can't step in and out of the flesh! It's either crucified with Christ or it isn't. Thanks for your hospitality though!
Thanks for posting your detailed article. Mr. Driscoll writes and talks a good game but he culturally contextualizes himself into compromise IMHO.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with the way Driscoll behaves is that his behavior gives an implied endorsement to the wordly behavior ingrained in those to whom he tries to reach.
Sure, the Bible has loads of truth and convicting information that people need to hear. However, when the delivery of the speaker is the focus, I wonder of the power of God continues to operate...? I know it can but does it usually?
I remember hearing others talk about the same tyoe of problem relating to Billy Graham years ago. Not that BG was doing anything like Driscoll; the problem was people were going to hear Graham and not necessarilty listening to God's word. Many of the Graham converts have been of questionable authenticity because of the 'event' overshadowing the word of God.
Now, assuming that Driscoll is preaching truth, what does his worldly-affirming delivery do to supplant God's word?
Thanks for your thoughts.
Wally
Thank you, again for your comments, Amy, but I won't be able to post for awhile as I'm preparing for Sunday services. I do want to make a few comments, however:
ReplyDeleteYou said,
"The rubber meets the road when you decide if you are going to follow theology, or Scripture..."
Well, that sounds spiritual but it just isn't truth. As theology is THEO (God) and LOGIA (Word), theology is that which pertains and consists of the Word of God, particularly the Living Word, Jesus Christ, and the written Word that expresses who He is and what He has done (John 5:39). The moment we open our mouths to speak of Christ, we must define who He is according to Scripture, and the rightly dividing of that Scripture is basically theology.
And in your last statement you said:
"You can't step in and out of the flesh! It's either crucified with Christ or it isn't."
Your statement implies that you believe that salvation brings an instantaneous perfection, which Scriputre does not support.
What you seem to be confusing are two different issues of the one salvation: justification & sanctification. As in the 1st verse you cited, Romans 8:9, the apostle Paul makes that statement because he is speaking of the reality of the Christian life as it pertains to justification. We are now spiritual beings, yes. We are truly the sons and daughters of Christ if, by faith we have believed on the substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus Christ as the propitiation for our sins (Romans 3:24-27). However, there is a reality of our Christian walk that is in the world (but not of the world, John 15:19; 17:16), and in the corruptions of flesh that still remain. That's why Paul states in Romans 7:18, "For I know that in me (that is in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing..." and cries out a few verses later, "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?"
That's what moves on from God's justifcation of sinners to sanctification. Because, by God's grace, a saved soul has been declared righteous, forgiven, reconciled &etc through justification, then every struggle we face is a process of sanctification. Certainly, because of immediate justification we are immediately made holy in God's sight; however, that holiness is not because of anything in us, but for the holiness and righteousness of Christ's sake alone. That is why 2 verses below your quoting Colossians 3:3 it says, "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry" (Col 3:5); that, being a commandment that since we are new creatures in Christ, & the reality of jusstification by grace through faith makes brings a true spiritual reality that, YES, we are "dead" to the world and to a life of enslavement to the sins of the flesh, & that our lives are truly "hid with Christ in God" by the power of the holy spirit, but there is a warfare that takes place now in the Christian life between flesh & spirit until Christ come. If there were not, we would not be commanded to kill (mortify) our members upon the earth.
Hopefully, what I've written is helpful. I think, mostly, that you were confused about was the term "in the flesh," as being a condition that tarnishes or even forsakes our justification wrought by God through Christ Jesus; & that's not it at all. "In the flesh" as used in my article is a Scriptural term applied to believers (Rom 7:18; 1 Cor 3:3, et al), to denote when we fail in that struggle between spirit & flesh (Gal 5:17), that you agree that we have becasue we have been crucified with Christ.
Thanks agin for posting.
Wally,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your thoughts. I couldn't agree more. One thing in particular that you mentioned was this:
"The problem with the way Driscoll behaves is that his behavior gives an implied endorsement to the wordly behavior ingrained in those to whom he tries to reach."
I believe that you're right about that. It tends to lend a justification to others to think that that's how we act. The very first noticeable thing that God took from my life when He saved me was profanity. I was a deep sea diver in the US Navy, & people, the very 1st day, noticed, "You don't cuss anymore..." because every other word out of my mouth was... well, not glorifying or edifying.
But, 2nd, I believe it quenches the Holy Spirit as well. That's why I mentioned in the article, without elaborating upon it, vulgarity will tend to become a kind of pragmatism.
Again, thanks for you early morning thoughts. Happy Reformation Day!